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		<title>By: Mary D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kept getting complaints that the toilets were often dirty and people were not flushing the toilets...and a few times I witnessed it myself.  So, I&#039;ve put signs on the back of the toilet stall doors.  &quot;If you make a mess, clean it up and don&#039;t forget to flush.&quot;  I really can&#039;t believe that adults have to be told this information.  And this activity went on at a corporate headquarters...all officers, managers and clericals.

As for the unzipped trouser fly, I&#039;ve done that one.  My boss was standing up behind his desk putting on his jacket when I entered his office.  I just quietly and politely told him he should check his zipper.  He looked down, quickly turned around, zipped up his zipper, turned back around with just a little redness in his face and said that he was thankful that I walked in when I did because he was just headed out to a meeting and that would have been really embarrassing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kept getting complaints that the toilets were often dirty and people were not flushing the toilets&#8230;and a few times I witnessed it myself.  So, I&#8217;ve put signs on the back of the toilet stall doors.  &#8220;If you make a mess, clean it up and don&#8217;t forget to flush.&#8221;  I really can&#8217;t believe that adults have to be told this information.  And this activity went on at a corporate headquarters&#8230;all officers, managers and clericals.</p>
<p>As for the unzipped trouser fly, I&#8217;ve done that one.  My boss was standing up behind his desk putting on his jacket when I entered his office.  I just quietly and politely told him he should check his zipper.  He looked down, quickly turned around, zipped up his zipper, turned back around with just a little redness in his face and said that he was thankful that I walked in when I did because he was just headed out to a meeting and that would have been really embarrassing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carole,

No way to tippy toe around that one.  Get the director by himself and ask him to kindly make sure the bathroom is clean and ready for the next person.  If you get a blank look or he asks what you are talking about simply state it is a hygiene/sanitary issue for employees to clean other employees urine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carole,</p>
<p>No way to tippy toe around that one.  Get the director by himself and ask him to kindly make sure the bathroom is clean and ready for the next person.  If you get a blank look or he asks what you are talking about simply state it is a hygiene/sanitary issue for employees to clean other employees urine.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Buckley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy Buckley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carol - on the toilet thing - I once had a co-worker with whom I got into a similar discussion - not because he had offended, just talking (I guess we were scraping the bottom of the barrel!) Anyway, he said in some men, because of their unique &quot;biology&quot; they actually can&#039;t aim straight and I said I didn&#039;t think that would affect their eyes so they should be courteous enough to clean up after themselves. No offense, guys, I know women have some inconsiderate habits, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carol &#8211; on the toilet thing &#8211; I once had a co-worker with whom I got into a similar discussion &#8211; not because he had offended, just talking (I guess we were scraping the bottom of the barrel!) Anyway, he said in some men, because of their unique &#8220;biology&#8221; they actually can&#8217;t aim straight and I said I didn&#8217;t think that would affect their eyes so they should be courteous enough to clean up after themselves. No offense, guys, I know women have some inconsiderate habits, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Buckley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy Buckley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my husband was an Operations Manager in a bank, he had to talk to an employee about his hygiene. There had been lots of complaints. My husband said he was so nervous, he was sweating and was afraid he&#039;d be the one with the problem by the time they sat down! So he did talk to the guy, who seemed not only not embarrassed but pretty OK with the conversation. He said his bathtub faucets weren&#039;t working (or something) but he&#039;d take care of the hygiene. That did improve for a few days, but the odor was back after that. I think he had to be talked to several times. That would be pretty uncomfortable, although may less so with repeated conversations. As far as the zipper, I think I could do that discreetly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my husband was an Operations Manager in a bank, he had to talk to an employee about his hygiene. There had been lots of complaints. My husband said he was so nervous, he was sweating and was afraid he&#8217;d be the one with the problem by the time they sat down! So he did talk to the guy, who seemed not only not embarrassed but pretty OK with the conversation. He said his bathtub faucets weren&#8217;t working (or something) but he&#8217;d take care of the hygiene. That did improve for a few days, but the odor was back after that. I think he had to be talked to several times. That would be pretty uncomfortable, although may less so with repeated conversations. As far as the zipper, I think I could do that discreetly.</p>
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		<title>By: Randi G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randi G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carole, I don&#039;t think there is a solution!  If anyone has any ideas, I&#039;d love to know also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carole, I don&#8217;t think there is a solution!  If anyone has any ideas, I&#8217;d love to know also.</p>
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		<title>By: GetAKlugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>GetAKlugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the HR manager, I had an employee and his manager (all males) in my office discussing his perfomance (very low key, not a counseling session) but the poor lad said &quot;well, it&#039;s really hard.  I had to tell my wife there would not be any more Saturday nights...&quot;  Both his manager and I were clueless as to what he was talking about.  He went on to tell us his Viagra was no longer working for him...??? I know, TMI!!!     Not hygiene or zippers but I believe his explanation was 100% on the uncomfortable scale for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the HR manager, I had an employee and his manager (all males) in my office discussing his perfomance (very low key, not a counseling session) but the poor lad said &#8220;well, it&#8217;s really hard.  I had to tell my wife there would not be any more Saturday nights&#8230;&#8221;  Both his manager and I were clueless as to what he was talking about.  He went on to tell us his Viagra was no longer working for him&#8230;??? I know, TMI!!!     Not hygiene or zippers but I believe his explanation was 100% on the uncomfortable scale for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Carole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our small office has only one restroom, and we have one male employee, the director. Frequently, I and some of the other female employees, find urine on the front portion of the toilet rim (where the seat is open) and/or the floor in front of the toilet. Ugh!

We have not yet determined how to address this issue. Anyone have any ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our small office has only one restroom, and we have one male employee, the director. Frequently, I and some of the other female employees, find urine on the front portion of the toilet rim (where the seat is open) and/or the floor in front of the toilet. Ugh!</p>
<p>We have not yet determined how to address this issue. Anyone have any ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cathy, I feel your pain. I&#039;m having to go through some testing right now and have had multiple appts over the course of a couple of weeks. My male boss wants to know details. First of all, he shouldn&#039;t ask, and I shouldn&#039;t feel compelled to tell him (which I do). Secondly, I don&#039;t even want to tell my best friend, let alone my boss. Really, he doesn&#039;t want the details, really! 

Jill, thanks for the story, I needed that laugh today!

At our facility, the inappropriate clothing is the problem. Most of our managers won&#039;t address their own employees about what they&#039;re wearing. It&#039;s a losing battle, so our written dress code isn&#039;t worth the paper it&#039;s written on. I have no problem with my team, and address things as they come up. I think it&#039;s the fear factor that &quot;they won&#039;t like me&quot; if I address this with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathy, I feel your pain. I&#8217;m having to go through some testing right now and have had multiple appts over the course of a couple of weeks. My male boss wants to know details. First of all, he shouldn&#8217;t ask, and I shouldn&#8217;t feel compelled to tell him (which I do). Secondly, I don&#8217;t even want to tell my best friend, let alone my boss. Really, he doesn&#8217;t want the details, really! </p>
<p>Jill, thanks for the story, I needed that laugh today!</p>
<p>At our facility, the inappropriate clothing is the problem. Most of our managers won&#8217;t address their own employees about what they&#8217;re wearing. It&#8217;s a losing battle, so our written dress code isn&#8217;t worth the paper it&#8217;s written on. I have no problem with my team, and address things as they come up. I think it&#8217;s the fear factor that &#8220;they won&#8217;t like me&#8221; if I address this with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Edgar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edgar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any conversations concerning hygiene and dressing habits tops my list as a difficult conversation.  I&#039;d been a supervisor for over 10 years, and it is the most difficult conversations any person could ever have.  Managers have the option to discuss those matters with Labor Relations advisors, and EEO managers.  Those folks are prepared to assist managers in addressing those uncomfortable issues. 

Concerning personal illneses, most of my employees have been candid enough to share their personal illnessess, down to the intimate details that I would never imagine.  With that said, as a manager I owe them the trust and confidentiality that they deserve.  Other employees will come to you asking about why employee X is absent, trying to pry details.  Your response as a manager should always be, &#039;Employee X absence is my concern; I am pretty sure that you expect me to respect your privacy when you are absent&#039;.  Regardless of the type of supervisor (kind or a jerk), employees have the obligation to tell managers that they were sick, and for exceptional cases of prolonged sickness, the cause of the sickness or diagnosis.  This should be no cause for embarassment, when communicating with your boss.  If your boss cannot handle it, he/she should not be in a supervisory position. 

Concerning the other items, ie. open fly, food in tooth, stains in clothes, tag sticking out of garment, toilet paper caught in shoes, etc.... I consider those easy things to address, regardless of the person&#039;s position in the company.  I do not have any hesitation to discreetly tell a co worker, superior or an employee about the item.  I believe that keeping quiet about that occurrence without telling the affected employee, is enough reason to distrust you, or to believe that you do not take them serious enough.  I to tell me when something is not right about my appearance.  When they do my response is always &#039;thank you, I appreciate watching out for me&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any conversations concerning hygiene and dressing habits tops my list as a difficult conversation.  I&#8217;d been a supervisor for over 10 years, and it is the most difficult conversations any person could ever have.  Managers have the option to discuss those matters with Labor Relations advisors, and EEO managers.  Those folks are prepared to assist managers in addressing those uncomfortable issues. </p>
<p>Concerning personal illneses, most of my employees have been candid enough to share their personal illnessess, down to the intimate details that I would never imagine.  With that said, as a manager I owe them the trust and confidentiality that they deserve.  Other employees will come to you asking about why employee X is absent, trying to pry details.  Your response as a manager should always be, &#8216;Employee X absence is my concern; I am pretty sure that you expect me to respect your privacy when you are absent&#8217;.  Regardless of the type of supervisor (kind or a jerk), employees have the obligation to tell managers that they were sick, and for exceptional cases of prolonged sickness, the cause of the sickness or diagnosis.  This should be no cause for embarassment, when communicating with your boss.  If your boss cannot handle it, he/she should not be in a supervisory position. </p>
<p>Concerning the other items, ie. open fly, food in tooth, stains in clothes, tag sticking out of garment, toilet paper caught in shoes, etc&#8230;. I consider those easy things to address, regardless of the person&#8217;s position in the company.  I do not have any hesitation to discreetly tell a co worker, superior or an employee about the item.  I believe that keeping quiet about that occurrence without telling the affected employee, is enough reason to distrust you, or to believe that you do not take them serious enough.  I to tell me when something is not right about my appearance.  When they do my response is always &#8216;thank you, I appreciate watching out for me&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was in the military, I was ordered to take a younger airman  to the gym and show her how to shower.  A lucky guy got to take her hubby and do the same thing.  I often wondered why medical personnel were not given that task</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in the military, I was ordered to take a younger airman  to the gym and show her how to shower.  A lucky guy got to take her hubby and do the same thing.  I often wondered why medical personnel were not given that task</p>
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