Comments on: Fired for falsified application — then sues for bias http://www.hrrecruitingalert.com/fired-for-falsified-application-then-sues-for-bias/ Headlines and advice for the practicing recruiter Mon, 20 Jun 2011 04:03:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: nomi http://www.hrrecruitingalert.com/fired-for-falsified-application-then-sues-for-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-11838 nomi Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:11:02 +0000 http://www.hrrecruitingalert.com/?p=284#comment-11838 Why did she not get promotions? Was she truly just as qualified as the others who were promoted before her? Are other qualified women promoted? What else is in her record? Did she have performance issues? Was the falsified application the only reason for her being fired or was it just the last straw? Did the application require complete and full disclosure of all past employers? Even if it was discrimination, was it sex discrimination or was it discrimination against anyone who had worked in that kind of environment. (Not a protected class). This article doesn't tell the other side of the story so I cannot decide whether its sex discrimination or not. Why did she not get promotions? Was she truly just as qualified as the others who were promoted before her? Are other qualified women promoted? What else is in her record? Did she have performance issues? Was the falsified application the only reason for her being fired or was it just the last straw? Did the application require complete and full disclosure of all past employers?
Even if it was discrimination, was it sex discrimination or was it discrimination against anyone who had worked in that kind of environment. (Not a protected class).
This article doesn’t tell the other side of the story so I cannot decide whether its sex discrimination or not.

]]> By: T.C. http://www.hrrecruitingalert.com/fired-for-falsified-application-then-sues-for-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-6321 T.C. Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:37:26 +0000 http://www.hrrecruitingalert.com/?p=284#comment-6321 I believe it was not relevent to the position. Lets be real about this. If she had included it she probably would not have been given an interview. There are a lot of conservative people in positions making hireing decisions. To believe it would not have prejudiced the process against her is wishful thinking. If the job had involved criminal activity it would be an issue. God forbid she had ever been an exotic dancer. She would never find a job. I believe it was not relevent to the position. Lets be real about this. If she had included it she probably would not have been given an interview. There are a lot of conservative people in positions making hireing decisions. To believe it would not have prejudiced the process against her is wishful thinking.

If the job had involved criminal activity it would be an issue. God forbid she had ever been an exotic dancer. She would never find a job.

]]> By: john http://www.hrrecruitingalert.com/fired-for-falsified-application-then-sues-for-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-2970 john Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:17:52 +0000 http://www.hrrecruitingalert.com/?p=284#comment-2970 Something is missing. How long was she employed? How sensitive is her position? How long ago was she employed at Hooters? Cases such as this have been heard before. They have fallen on both sides of the issue. The most recent one that I can remember ruled for the employee saying the omission was not material to the position applied for rather or not the omission was deliberate. Something is missing. How long was she employed? How sensitive is her position? How long ago was she employed at Hooters? Cases such as this have been heard before. They have fallen on both sides of the issue. The most recent one that I can remember ruled for the employee saying the omission was not material to the position applied for rather or not the omission was deliberate.

]]> By: SAB http://www.hrrecruitingalert.com/fired-for-falsified-application-then-sues-for-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-2968 SAB Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:08:40 +0000 http://www.hrrecruitingalert.com/?p=284#comment-2968 I agree with JVN, it depends on how the application was worded. . I think this woman has a good case, if other employees are found, especially men, who did not list all jobs on their application. However, since her current job is "criminal intelligence analyst" her employer may have reason to have a higher bar for complete disclosure than others. Her reason for leaving it out could easily be fear of this very kind of discrimination based on that job. I think she'll win unless the application is very clear about the organizaitons criteria about listing other jobs. I agree with JVN, it depends on how the application was worded. . I think this woman has a good case, if other employees are found, especially men, who did not list all jobs on their application. However, since her current job is “criminal intelligence analyst” her employer may have reason to have a higher bar for complete disclosure than others. Her reason for leaving it out could easily be fear of this very kind of discrimination based on that job. I think she’ll win unless the application is very clear about the organizaitons criteria about listing other jobs.

]]> By: SRJ http://www.hrrecruitingalert.com/fired-for-falsified-application-then-sues-for-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-2899 SRJ Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:02:54 +0000 http://www.hrrecruitingalert.com/?p=284#comment-2899 I would ad to JVN's comment that you should look at what you have previously done in similar situations. If you are using the work number or some similar source and you find out that other employees have failed to put down... did you make the same employment desicion that you did in this case? I would ad to JVN’s comment that you should look at what you have previously done in similar situations. If you are using the work number or some similar source and you find out that other employees have failed to put down… did you make the same employment desicion that you did in this case?

]]> By: Brian Ard http://www.hrrecruitingalert.com/fired-for-falsified-application-then-sues-for-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-2893 Brian Ard Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:15:58 +0000 http://www.hrrecruitingalert.com/?p=284#comment-2893 Deja vu? Um, didn't we already talk about this one? Deja vu? Um, didn’t we already talk about this one?

]]> By: DB http://www.hrrecruitingalert.com/fired-for-falsified-application-then-sues-for-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-2889 DB Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:50:00 +0000 http://www.hrrecruitingalert.com/?p=284#comment-2889 Why did she leave it out in the first place? She obviously is hiding something. Definitely falsification and the company is within their rights. People need to start taking responsibility for their actions. And, yes, Discrimination is a far reach. Why did she leave it out in the first place? She obviously is hiding something. Definitely falsification and the company is within their rights. People need to start taking responsibility for their actions. And, yes, Discrimination is a far reach.

]]> By: JVN http://www.hrrecruitingalert.com/fired-for-falsified-application-then-sues-for-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-2778 JVN Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:43:28 +0000 http://www.hrrecruitingalert.com/?p=284#comment-2778 It depends on how the application was worded. If the application asked that all jobs held within a given period of time (3 years, 5 years, etc.) be listed and she didn't list it, then yes - that is falsification and the company was within its rights. If the application was not explicit in asking for all jobs held, then an omission isn't really falsification. Either way, it seems like kind of a jump to gender discrimination. It depends on how the application was worded. If the application asked that all jobs held within a given period of time (3 years, 5 years, etc.) be listed and she didn’t list it, then yes – that is falsification and the company was within its rights. If the application was not explicit in asking for all jobs held, then an omission isn’t really falsification. Either way, it seems like kind of a jump to gender discrimination.

]]> By: SL http://www.hrrecruitingalert.com/fired-for-falsified-application-then-sues-for-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-2777 SL Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:48:44 +0000 http://www.hrrecruitingalert.com/?p=284#comment-2777 If she was fired for leaving irrelevant jobs off her application, then everybody who ever completed an application or sent a resume should be fired. There's but so much room on a job application and as others stated in the previous story on this, resumes would be way too long if every job was listed. You've got women and men out there that did everything from digging graveyards to trimming hedges, but they left it off their resume. I know Hooters has a stereotype attached to it but come on what does that have to do with her current job? She didn't lie about the job, she just left it off the application. You'd be surprised how many executives out there "hootered" their way to the top anyway. There has got to be more to this case than what's revealed here. If she was fired for leaving irrelevant jobs off her application, then everybody who ever completed an application or sent a resume should be fired. There’s but so much room on a job application and as others stated in the previous story on this, resumes would be way too long if every job was listed. You’ve got women and men out there that did everything from digging graveyards to trimming hedges, but they left it off their resume. I know Hooters has a stereotype attached to it but come on what does that have to do with her current job? She didn’t lie about the job, she just left it off the application. You’d be surprised how many executives out there “hootered” their way to the top anyway. There has got to be more to this case than what’s revealed here.

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